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ON Bar Exam Indices
What would be the point in waiting for indices before printing your materials? They're free, you don't have to pay, not sure how we get access. I'm sure someone will post them here though. -
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ploc end date?
I would just send them the articling job offer and see what happens -
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ploc end date?
Hi, does anyone have experience with TD for their LOC? I thought id have it available for the summer before articling but it appears the expiry date was April 30 (last day of classes). I spoke to a few people at TD and I keep getting mixed answers. I was told by a TD rep that I no longer qualify as a student and they cant un-suspend my LOC. The branch I initially got my LOC from said I need to provide proof that I am "currently articling" - which I wont be until August. Is this common among all banks? From what I've heard, my friends using Scotia and RBC still have access to their LOC so I'm confused what the standard practice is. (I realize I should already have this information but alas, here we are) -
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Access to Practice Exams
I've already spent an arm and a leg with bar prep so hoping one of you kind folk will help me save a buck. Does anyone have access to previous ontario bar practice exams they could provide me? Would really appreciate any info. Thank you. -
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Accepted 2024
Accepted yesterday was 17 on the waitlist. AGPA: 4.11 lsat: 158 The deadline to accept is May 15th, but I will be declining. Goodluck to everyone!! -
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Utility of the LSO Materials
Copying over my response to a different thread, but tl;dr - I read the materials, minus one big chunk. I do think it helped me a lot to have read as much as I did. -
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Help me figure out where I have a chance to get accepted?
U of T would definitely be a long shot since they place more emphasis on GPA. UBC is hard to tell - they let you drop your 10(?) worst credits, and then they use your adjusted GPA in tandem with your LSAT to come to an index number:https://lsutil.azurewebsites.net/UBC/Predict. Typically an index score of 92.5 or above was ‘auto-admit territory’, but in recent years, the high chance/auto-admit index has crept towards 93 with higher LSAT scores. I’d say based on your stats here, you have a good chance since UBC seems a bit more splitter-friendly. Osgoode I’d say you have the strongest chance out of all three if you write a solid personal statement. I’d still apply to safety schools if I were in your position though. -
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Help me figure out where I have a chance to get accepted?
Hi everyone, I'm trying to figure out which schools I could realistically get accepted for. My dream would be UofT/Osgoode/UBC, but I know my GPA is going to hold me back for sure. I do plan on applying very broadly. I'm applying KJD, and my softs are mediocre at best. Definitely doesn't differentiate me from other applicants. My stats are as follows: CGPA 3.31, L2 3.37, L3 3.29, B2 3.61, B3 3.44 LSAT Score is 173 Thank you for any insight! -
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How easy or hard is it to switch from a criminal practice to civil litigation?
By civil litigation, I'm referring to labour law, administrative regulatory/professional hearings type stuff, and employment. -
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Advice for LSATs
OP, it is very early. Take it from an old guy: it's far earlier than it feels. The difference between "first-year undergrad" and "time to prep for the LSAT" is only a couple of years, chronologically, but those particular years are very important in terms of your academic development, and you do yourself a disservice by worrying too much about the future now. Every second you spend on even thinking about law school right now is time better invested in school and in enjoying your youth. Speaking to the broader issue of whether to prep: Dinsdale's comment is on point with how I think things maybe were and how I think things definitely should be - grades measure if you can grind, the LSAT measures how smart you are, and the whole notion of "LSAT prep" is just exceptionally weird to me. I don't know how old Dinsdale is or if their perspective is what it is because they're also old. That said, I feel like the culture has really shifted since my first go at applying, which was 15 years ago, and I'd love to see some data. Qualitatively: back then, it seemed like almost nobody did the kind of LSAT prep that it seems like almost everybody does today. I have no idea if either end of that is true. So I'll say three things: 1. I can think of no area of life where "don't prepare! Just see if you're great at the thing, and if you are, do it, and if you aren't, don't!" (which is what my gut tells me on this) is really great advice. Practice can help people improve at things---even if, as Dinsdale says, marginally. 2. Whether or not it's a good idea to prepare for things, in a vacuum, it's stupid to not prepare for something where you're in direct competition with others and they will be preparing. Even if improvements are marginal, they're still improvements. So, yes, when the day comes, do whatever preparation you need to do in order to do the best you can - no one would tell you otherwise. 3. I am naturally good (not great) at the LSAT - now that they're doing away with the godforsaken puzzles, I might be naturally very good at the LSAT (I might take it again just to see how I do). I suspect I would have been solid at it when I was twelve. But to the degree that anything helped me "prepare" for it (I didn't "study"; I just went and took the damn test), it was the critical thinking skills I learned at university. We talk (I did it myself in my second paragraph here) about grades and LSAT as if they're unrelated, but actually, what do you know - school isn't just a hoop you jump through, it can actually make you smarter and better at things. If twentysomething me did better on the LSAT than 18-year-old me would have, it was because of skills I'd honed. You're young. You've got time. Hone away. -
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Accepted 2024 - Windsor
Thank you. No I wasn’t waitlisted, but the portal did show “referred to AC” since March. -
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Advice for LSATs
Agree with the advice to focus on your undergrad grades for now. Take courses you find it easy to work hard at and/or get good grades in (in my experience, this overlaps a good deal with the ones you most enjoy!). When the time comes, see how much progress you can make with study free materials. I scored high 160s studying with Khan academy alone for 3 months. Don't waste your money on expensive courses or materials unless you really need them to improve your score. -
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Utility of the LSO Materials
Thank you, really appreciate this response. Did you highlight when you read through the materials? Any tips on effective highlighting? -
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Looking for info on New York firms with satellite offices in Toronto
That’s what you need for Bay St positions. For Skadden and PW you’re probably looking at top 5% and even there it’s very unpredictable.- 1
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Looking for info on New York firms with satellite offices in Toronto
Can't speak to the other schools but you generally have to be in the top ~20% at UofT to be considered a competitive candidate at PW/Skadden Toronto. I would assume it is similar for other schools. The reality is there simply aren't many positions every year so every distinguishing feature helps, with grades being an obvious one. This is not a strict rule of course. Someone I know landed one of these firms with above-average but not distinction-level grades (think 65-70th percentile) but had phenomenal work experience.- 1
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