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Should I participate in the articling recruit?
Based on my situation, I am wondering if I should apply for the Toronto articling recruit taking place this summer. Going to try and summarize my situation as clearly as possible and any comments/feedback would be appreciated. Keep it cool and nice :)) Work Experience: I have a job this summer at a boutique firm in the Bay Street area. It specializes in one-two practice areas, but will gain valuable experience working directly with former bay street partners. There is a possibility of articling but I am interested more in full service. Though, to my understanding, full service options are limited in the articling recruit. The limitation in options is something discouraging me from the articling recruit because I am not interested in public sector work or other types of law I am aware of that mainly hire through articling (ie: crim defence, PI, etc). Prior work experience before law school includes corporate work. Grades I am, and always will be, a B-average student. I’ve been able to slide in very few A’s via advocacy competitions or external assignments for credit, but am otherwise prone to B/B- grades. This is the primary reason for my lack of success in 2L, but I have heard from countless people who got hired through articling recruit at various types of firms that grades become less and less of a factor with each recruit. So I interpret this is as grades are considered, but work experience will be highly looked at? Are grades still the #1 filter? PTSD From 2L Recruit It would be impossible for me to contemplate the articling recruit without reflecting on my experience in 2L, which was one of the lowest points of my life. Sure, “it’s just a job” and I’ll look back at it years down the line when I get to the firm of my dreams one day and think why did I react like that, but I’ve never felt lower of myself than during and after the 2L recruit. It’s not just the fact that I didn’t get the job, but it’s the working so hard for something for over a year (as every decision I made in 1L was in contemplation of how that would translate to interviews/help me in my work experience during my 2L summer at a Bay Street firm), and that hard work blowing up in my face. Yes, I am responsible for my average 1L grades (see my prior posts) which were the biggest barrier of my 2L recruit success, but I tried to make the best of a bad situation and make due with what little I had by networking/going to events/spending thousands on career coaches to tailor my resume and cover letters as near perfectly as possible… and it was that false/blind hope that really got to me when I didn’t get an offer. I recognize the pressure is slightly reduced as I have a job with a potential for articling so I can fall back on that, but I’ve worked so hard with professional help to get to a better place I worry about the articling recruit undoing all of that. That’s where my head is at. Thanks. -
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Accepted to UNB 2024!
Congrats! Will you be accepting? UNB is great from what I've heard!- 1
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How do legal recruiter services work?
I learned about a position from a recruiter. That position is also posted on the firm’s website. Should I still apply through the recruiter or do it independently? On one hand, the recruiter will advocate on my behalf, on the other hand, the firm may like an independent applicant better as it wouldn’t have to pay a commission. -
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1L grades + success in landing a job on Bay Street
Sorry I should have clarified what I meant about midsized firms or boutique firms, but I am just now realizing that I myself don’t really know what’s considered what. All I know is that I *don’t* mean any of the seven sister firms, national firms (like BLG, Fasken, Bennett Jones, McMillan, Miller Thomson, Cassels Brock), global firms (like NRF, baker Mackenzie, Dentons, Gowling, DLA piper) because I genuinely don’t think I have a chance for any of these firms. I guess what I DO mean when I say mid size or boutique are the following: Aird & Berlis Lerners WeirFoulds Blaney Folger Rubinoff Torkin Manes I'm not really even sure that these firms are considered as such but it’s what I think about when I try to convince myself that I might have a chance at that firms over others. But please feel free to correct my understanding. Also, I would much rather work at a full service “Bay st” firm over a smaller firm that specializes in a few practice areas. Even though I do have an interest in a couple practice areas, I just don’t think it’s smart to square myself off to them. I really love the idea of a rotational program that covers a wide variety of practices and that can help me gain exposure to them so I can see what I enjoy and what I’m “good” at. At this point I’m just trying to figure out what is the best strategy to take this summer in terms of networking - because it’s just impossible to network with lawyers/students/associates from like 40 firms. So I’m trying to focus my efforts strategically in a way that will serve me best in the recruit. And I’m obviously going off of the sliver of hope that I will get interviews at some of these places, since, aside from my terrible grades, I believe I do have the people skills and “charm” to be likeable enough by recruiters/people at the firm that’ll want me to work with them or think I’ll be a good fit for their firm’s culture. Yes, I’d like to focus less on the size of the firm and more on the fact that they are full service firms. Ideally I’d want it to be a Bay Street firm but what are some full service firms that are off Bay Street? And are these part of the recruit? I’ll have to do research on the ones that are outside the recruit as well of course and apply them to them too -
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Recommend Practice questions websites
1. Ontario Bar Prep 2. Ontario Law Exam 3. Emond 4. Bar Exam Crackers -
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Rejected 2024
If you dont mind me asking - how did you find out was it through email or OLSAS? -
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Recommend Practice questions websites
Please I need recommendations for the best websites to buy practice questions for the Ontario Bar exams. -
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Rejected 2024
Rejected today. Stats Below: GPA (L2): 4.00 LSAT (Highest): 149 Category: General- 1
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ploc end date?
As an update: * Apparently the rule (which branch advisors and call center borrowing team people did not know and required them to internally escalate) is that TD PSLOC access is scheduled to end on the last day of your 3L final term (which they assume to be April 30, even though this date does not come from my confirmation of enrollment submitted at the beginning of the 3L year) -- the date for termination of access to funds isn't tied to when you officially graduate nor convocation * If you want access after the assumed last day of term, you'd have to show proof that you're actively enrolled in the term and that it finishes later than April 30 * Despite the above, you can gain continued access to draw from the PSLOC during articling by providing confirmation of your articling position, which must demonstrate the exact dates of employment. Your articling offer letter is insufficient if it doesn't have exact start and end dates (thankfully my firm promptly generated a letter upon request). * To submit proof, I reccomend reaching out to the person who originally set up your PSLOC, because the branch and phone people don't know their own rules and the internal TD employee reference site doesn't specifically mention "articling" but rather post-graduate training more generally and unfamiliar employees don't understand what that includes. * You can still maintain access in the interim period between 3L and articling, even before starting articling, by providing sufficient proof of your incoming articling position (i.e., no need to wait for articling to start, you can maintain full access between 3L and articling as long as you submit the proof). * If you don't furnish proof of articling or aren't articling/clerking, access ends on the assumed or actual end of your final 3L term (i.e., you can no longer draw from it) and the 24 month interest-only-payments grace period then begins to run, before the eventual conversion to a term loan for fixed principal+interest repayments. * My understanding is Scotiabank's PSLOC provides access to draw from the PSLOC one year beyond articling and doesn't cut off access right after 3L exams, so it may be much less hassle for new applicants. (But I had a shitty time with Scotia in the process, so this minor annoyance was still better for me). -
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Accepted JD (English) 2024
A yesterday! OLSAS CGpa: 3.89 LSAT: 157 Will likely be accepting my offer as it was a top choice. Any girlies from the GTA message me if you wanna be roomies 🙂 -
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Question About Application - Softs
"But you're forgetting that I also have great reference letters and an amazing personal statement." 🤪- 2
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Accepted to Saskatchewan 2024
Accepted this morning around 2 am, last school to hear back from. Discretionary applicant, 156 LSAT 3.9 L2. Will be declining as I have paid my deposit at UofA. Good luck to all of those still waiting!
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