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September 2022 - Big Law Salaries?
It is typically more like you won't be eligible for partnership until X year rather than billing out at a lower rate or getting less comp. But there aren't a ton of super senior US laterals these days to begin with. -
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3L Grades
Does anyone know when grades / awards / prize notifications will be released for 3Ls graduating this June? I'm assuming they have to be posted earlier than for 1Ls and 2Ls (since we need to know whether we passed to attend convocation), but does anyone know how the school has gone about this re: timelines in previous years? Thanks! 🙂 -
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Barrister - 20 Day Study Plan
Are you using the Beat the Bar questions for practice here? I wasn't sure if there's other companies that have practice questions for this section as well that you may recommend! So far I found civil litigation to be the most dense so far (I'm also into the criminal law section now, and I'm finding crim to be less stressful/dense). -
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Barrister - 20 Day Study Plan
I’m now into criminal law, but, upon reflection, would encourage folks to take extra time for the initial civil litigation practice. This section is long and one day of practice was not enough for me to be as familiar with the materials as I had hoped.- 1
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Are New York "MidLaw" firms as competitive as New York BigLaw firms?
CB2021's post is spot on. Another point to add: as a general rule, the smaller a firm gets, the more important networking becomes. While applying through the general recruit may not be very successful due to Canadian schools being less recognized, it may be worthwhile to heavily network with a few select firms and then apply through referral (referrals are a lot more important in NY than Canada). Your grades will probably not hold you back with these firms as most firms outside the V20 regularly hire B average students. Your biggest hurdle will be showing that you are at a reputable law school which is where networking will be vital. -
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Are New York "MidLaw" firms as competitive as New York BigLaw firms?
Based on personal exp (and what I have heard from my peers), in general, the lower you go on the V100 the less likely a firm will even have heard of your school. Even if a firm is aware of your school's reputation, which is what US firms really care about, the lower ranked firms don't seem to want to hire students from Canadian schools for several reasons. One, they are likely not familiar with the immigration process and do not want to bother (if you are a Canadian, you will need a J1 for the summer). Two, the lower ranked firms generally have either smaller headcounts or tend to focus on a few target schools they hire from, whether strong local schools or top ranked national schools outside of T14. As a result, it is surprisingly difficult to find graduates from Canadian schools at V70-100 (I have personally collected data for all V100 firms and found Canadian grads based on LinkedIn and firm websites). I imagine this will likely hold true for MidLaw for the same reasons I have mentioned above. There are many law schools in NY and many of them have fairly strong alum base at most of the large firms in NY, so I think MidLaw in NY will probs be the same as well. Nonetheless, it doesn't hurt to apply as most firms will at most require you to submit a cover letter on top of law transcript and resume.- 2
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Are New York "MidLaw" firms as competitive as New York BigLaw firms?
I hear everyone going on and on about the Vault100 (and for good reason, dont get me wrong)...but for the New York Recruit, are Vault500 MidLaw firms worth applying to? Salary at most of these shops still beat Toronto Biglaw in most cases. I'm just wondering if these firms even bother with Canadian students, and if a B+ student who otherwise struck out with NYC Biglaw has a chance at Midlaw. -
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Going to school outside where you want to work
I’d probably go to Dal, unless TRU is significantly cheaper overall (considering cost of living etc). You may have a harder time finding a job in BC but it only means that you’ll need to be more proactive and tailor your application materials accordingly. -
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Going to school outside where you want to work
Hi! I recently got accepted into Dal & TRU, but I'm leaning towards Dal right now. I've heard and seen an emphasis on going to school where you want to work, is it really a big deal, and will I have a harder time finding a job in BC (where I want to work, and where I'm from)? Also, will it be difficult to transition to a different provinces legal system? Ideally, I'd like to work for the government, or in non profit law. Thanks! -
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cGPA 3.77, B2/L2 3.88, 161 - Chances at UofT, Osgoode, Queens, Western, Ottawa
@tobi - thank you so much for your detailed input! greatly appreciate your time 🙂 congrats on osgoode and western! have a wonderful time, whichever school you're headed to!- 1
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Rejected 2024
Rejected yesterday evening, notified via email. 157 LSAT, 3.71/4 cGPA, 3.72 L2. Applied general. -
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Chance For 1L Summer Jobs/Upcoming 2L Recruit With 1L Grades? Any Hope For Big Law?
It might push the needle in your favour, but I wouldn’t risk it. At the end of the day there’s no exact science to how things go on the recruiter’s end. One recruiter in Calgary explicitly told me that seeing a borderline candidate apply to the Toronto and Calgary offices of their firm was the deciding factor in not inviting them for an interview. Interpret it how you want. My personal sense is that not stellar grades + doing law school in Ontario is enough raise eyebrows upon seeing that you’re applying to both Calgary and Toronto offices. -
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Chance For 1L Summer Jobs/Upcoming 2L Recruit With 1L Grades? Any Hope For Big Law?
Thanks for your update - I just added the point that I have been in Alberta with family and friends up till high school, and my undergrad + law school is in Ontario. Anything changes with this? -
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Chance For 1L Summer Jobs/Upcoming 2L Recruit With 1L Grades? Any Hope For Big Law?
With your grades, applying to all big law firms in Calgary and Toronto strikes me as almost guaranteeing that you won’t get any interviews from either city. I don’t know what school you’re at, but unfortunately your grades seem too low to get Toronto big law interviews. Calgary firms will see that you’re applying to their Toronto offices and this will be a red flag, signalling to them that you’re not committed to staying in Calgary, and this may be a strong reason for not interviewing you. As your grades would probably give a better chance in Calgary, my advice is to apply to only to Calgary offices and not to Toronto offices. Still, big law might be a reach at this point, so consider applying broadly.
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