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Finished law school, feeling defeated
I suppose emotions about finishing law school are different for different people. I moved all of my belongings out of my apartment yesterday, and it gives me a weird mix of emotions. Law school was a big part of our lives for a lot of years. Most of us put a lot of pressure on ourselves and put a lot of time towards our studies. I liked my routine and the way I had everything set up. I liked the way my favourite chair was set up, the lighting, and where I stored my food and cooking supplies. I liked the privacy and the neighbourhood. Leaving law school is like a change of employment, residence, and social circle all at the same time. There's also the "What do I do now?" element. Articling does not start for a few months. There's the bar exam to study for of course, but PR and civil procedure has got to be the most boring thing I have ever read. Some people reading this might understand, and others might wonder WTF I'm talking about. But I'm sure I'll get over it in a week at most. -
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Chances for Osgoode/Queens?
Yeah, the whole "aim for a 165" culture tends to annoy me. 165 is the 89th percentile---in order to do better than 89% of people writing the test, you've got to have some level of natural aptitude. "What if I just study really hard?" Those 89% of people are studying really hard too. "Oh, what if I just study really, really hard?" Yeah, that second "really" oughta do it. Seriously, though - coming in without having written an LSAT and saying, "Hey, what if I'm better at it than 89% of people?" is like saying, "I don't know how tall I am, but can I play in the NBA if I'm 7'4?" And, like, sure you can, but that's a big "if". Best of luck - come back when you have a stronger idea of what you can do, and we'll be able to give better advice. -
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Question for transfers
Hi!! Transfer student here!! I applied for my transfer after 2 years of law school. I still had to (re)take some first year courses since it's a combined BCL/JD and I was transferring from a BCL. I believe they don't accept a lot of transfer students, so your application must stand out. You also need good grades, a good resume and a good reason why you are now choosing McGill. Hope that helps! -
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How competitive is Letter of Permission admission at Toronto Schools in 3rd year?
Hi, I want to go to a Toronto school closer to my home (Osgoode or UOFT) for my final semester in 3L (I did a summer program so I only have one semester left). I would much rather live at home and save all the rent money compared to the school I'm currently attending. I have completed all the required courses also, just need general credits now. Does anyone have any idea how competitive admissions are in letter of permission? I am just an average student so Is it worth applying for me (spending that 400 dollar fee)? Thank you! -
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Chances for Osgoode/Queens?
I mean, I feel I wasn't too helpful (because nobody really can be to you quite yet) and you've been nice. So, I'll share this link to an old LSAT that has historically been used as a diagnostic: https://cache.careers360.mobi/media/uploads/froala_editor/files/LSAT-practice-set.pdf If you are interested in knowing your chances and you haven't gotten a diagnostic score yet, I'd recommend that as the best way to get a sense of it. Write it under timed, realistic conditions. I will note that when you write the LSAT, the logic games section will be abolished and replaced with a second logical reasoning section. So ignore the first section of this. The good news is that there are two logical reasoning sections and a reading comprehension section left, which are exactly what you will be assessed on (with an additional experimental section that doesn't count towards your score). This should give you a sense of where you're at, and maybe this comes naturally to you and you don't need to worry about getting a sub-165, and maybe you'll realize you have a lot of work to do before asking about chances. Good luck!- 2
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TMU VS Ottawa
Every single law school in Canada has adjunct practitioners (judges among them) teach a fair few courses. I don't know what TMU's ratio of practitioner-taught versus academic-taught courses is, but I wouldn't imagine it's very different from any other school's, certainly not enough to be a particularly relevant selling point. This is a really good point and you were right to emphasize it. Every law school in Canada is at the least just fine. Some are good to very good (I'm purely talking about perceived average student quality/outcomes, not educational quality; they're pretty uniformly good on that). And there are lots of practice areas where (Canadian) school choice ends up being irrelevant. You're also right to put an emphasis on what school best fits the applicant's personal circumstances (yes, OP, it sounds like you should go to TMU) rather than what's "best" in the abstract. That is, by far, the most important thing. But there are reputational differences between some schools, and, depending on your goals and profile, that can matter. I get you probably don't mean to do anything but encourage and congratulate OP and I'm sorry to sound like a pedantic joy-crushing ass here; I just want to flag that for the benefit of applicants and admits who don't know much about law schools and who might read this later. -
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I mean, are you going to aim lower on the LSAT if someone says yes? Get the highest score you can. Your question about the difference between a 163 and 165 is very granular and a totally irrelevant hypothetical in the event that you end up scoring significantly higher or lower than that. There's no point asking people to entertain every possible scenario when half of your applicant profile is still to be determined. You were very polite in your OP and obviously trying not to get dunked on, but on pretty much a weekly basis here someone asks for chances with no LSAT and the answer is always to write the LSAT and get back to us, for a reason.- 2
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TMU VS Ottawa
If I were you I would pick TMU for a majority of the reasons you listed. TMU has a great professional program and sets you up with networking really well. A lot of their professors are judges and lawyers and they truly help teach law in a very practical way. Plus you will be saving A LOT of money that can be used for textbooks or even for your tuition. Law school is expensive but saving on at least rent is a major deal. Every law school is great, we just need to narrow down which schools can help us the most! Good Luck! -
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Chances for Osgoode/Queens?
Right right got it! If I got lower than a 165 like a 163 162 would that still make me "competitive" with a 3.68? -
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Chances for Osgoode/Queens?
A stab in the dark — we need your lsat. Without it, really difficult to tell. Aim for 165+ lsat and you’ll probably be good.- 1
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